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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.10 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 10/02/2006 16:01:38
OK my 2 little iskies on T2 HACs and the production difficulties.
The devs have made manufacturing of Hacs Harder since RMR .
As has been said before in previous posts you cannot just have the factory running ad infinitum and keep adding components and the ships plop out when cooked. You have to make all the t2 components first and then place in cooker wait the alloted time till the cooker goes Bing.
The T2 components build time , has gone back to castor levels Just these 2 items makes the whole Hac production line very inefficient.
The Devs mentioned a feature "that the more you cooked the shorter it would take" . tbh - never seen this work - and dont know if it was implemented.
We have no T2 specific "manufacturing peformance enhancing" skills just the level 1 skill of industy .
Supply cannot meet demand - that is a fact . And imho the supply line has not been helped by the RMR changes.
As to Bpcs be made available via mission runners I have no qualms about it tho one must be aware that HACS require an awful lot of training just to build them. So all that would happen would be the vast majority would sell them .
I also dont believe the ability to lessen BPC build times would aid much due to my previous argument regarding skills needed and the fact that I dislike that approach immensly- As it has destroyed the t1 BS market amongst other things.
Ok so to bring my rambling to an end ... Supply must be increased so either give ius the skills to bring down production times . or seed more bpos.
Thanks for you time
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Al Thorr on 11/02/2006 00:49:59
I can understand the annoyance of people who complain about high HAC prices .
I honestly wish as a cerb producer I could create more ships. but I cant.
Yes and the Cerb is only "now the flavour of the month"
But the isk that can be earned by an ownwer, in a week, is by far more than the cerb costs.
People who know me and who I have traded with thro thick and thin know my prices are although higher than the "Big guns aka Naga n Big" are still more than fair.
A current Cerb Bpo ,at 180 Misk per unit is worth to the owner 32 Bil isk per year. - fact . That is CLEAR PROFIT. Just for the record. ( this is available information but people are just too damn lazy to work out the equation )
I wish I could sell all my ships at that price but I dont - why cos I like to see my ships out there being used. ( yeah it sounds corny , but I dont give a flying phukk my customers always return .). - It would be nice to hear from them btw but I understand their reluctance.
I Build the from Bpo I was lucky enough to be given. ( 90% of people want the bpo lottery to give them a bpo they can sell for isk. as they have absolutely no intention of making the product.) I have never won another lottery btw .
You want someone to blame - then go for the re sellers - they are scum. I have no sympathy for them and all those resellers who have bought from me will never ever get another ship.
Anyway enough of my ramblings.
But I need skills to increase production way before CCP introduce more BPOs
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.13 17:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I've had this idea for a while now and I want to see what everyone thinks.
Limited run BPCs would be given out for RPs. You'd be able to basically buy them with RPs at a shop. However, they'd be relatively expensive in terms of RPs. The price would depend directly on their build time. Lets say that every 10 seconds of build time costs one RP.
Thus, a HAC BPC, 1 run, would cost 16000 RP (or 48000 RP for a 3x research point agent like a starship engineering). A 1-run cap recharger II BPC would cost 400 RP. And so on.
Many have whined about non-availability of high-end T2 ships and the high price of the few T2 items (like cap IIs) that have a de facto cartel.
What this would do is cause people to buy T2 BPCs for ONLY the most highly priced items, boosting supply to more reasonable levels. And unlike any contrived solution like specifically releasing more BPOs for specific items:
The market itself will decide which items need more supply and boost them!
Yet the RP costs will be too high for one player to earn billions by farming BPCs, or to make it worth it to run extra R&D characters just for BPCs!
What do you all think? Is this a stroke of genius?
I dont have a carebear science alt so no comment. However, if I do, the idea has a right theme. Almost like my idea about Agent based BPC reward idea in the sister thread but yours is strictly for R&D.
/signed. 
Yes a nice idea: However Im incluined to believe that the Bpc would more than likely find its way onto the escrow market than actually being built by the winner. Mainly because if the high skills needed to build it. So how about the RnD agent offering a BYOM deal thus the player gets the ship ready made for his / her RPs.
Anyway enough of my inane ramblings
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.13 18:48:00 -
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Skills to build a Hac - Cruiser construction Lev 4 ( A Rank 5 Skill) Whose Secondary requisite is Frigate Construction Lev 4 ( A Rank 2 Skill ) .
So Imho a lot of skills to train just to build a 1 run bpc. But thats just an opinion.
Regards Al Thorr.
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Al Thorr
Skills to build a Hac - Cruiser construction Lev 4 ( A Rank 5 Skill) Whose Secondary requisite is Frigate Construction Lev 4 ( A Rank 2 Skill ) .
So Imho a lot of skills to train just to build a 1 run bpc. But thats just an opinion.
And?
The people who get the BPCs will sell them, and the people who have the skills will buy them.
So why not according to your own arguement give them the ship ? that they can sell as built - no skills needed - no middle man.
No need for escrow .
The people who can build hacs are invariably the ones who have the bpos or similar - so why would it suit them to build an exceptionally marked up Bpc ? the ship is out quicker into the market and the "winner" can sell or fly as he / she choses.
Still a nice idea but needs tweaking a bit btw
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 01:30:00 -
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With repesct I didnt say just give them the ship I said give them the BYOM deal. this as per your argument t2 components are used.
Regards Al Thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.14 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Al Thorr
With repesct I didnt say just give them the ship I said give them the BYOM deal. this as per your argument t2 components are used.
Not a bad idea, but IMO NPCs should never offer BYOM deals, as that simply cuts the manufacturing out of the picture.
Imagine, for example, if your agent told you "I'll give you 5 million scordite if you buy me a covetor and 3 strip miners to equip it with, and then wait three days for me to mine the ore." That would be a bit silly.
However as t2 compnents arnt npc produced - an agent says get me this list of components . plus eg a caracal - plus x amounts of Rps and you get your ship . you are not hurting the t2 component manufacturers. or the pos owners. but you do cut out the middle man as previously stated. No skills are needed to produce the ship. and you can get your isk reward and allieviate the shortage much quicker If you wish.
Btw Which post should I post in ? Just to be on safe side :)
Regards Al thorr
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Al Thorr
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Posted - 2006.02.18 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Putting T2 BPOs on the NPC market will never happen.
Its an idea that requires CCP to set ad hoc values for BPOs. Any idea that requires CCP to set values on anything will not work.
Damn I agree with Dark Shikari again - sort of :).
Right thats it, pass me the razor blades and run me a hot bath 
Regards Al Thorr
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